Jeff
Rense - JR OK, Hi again, and welcome back everybody. Sit down and
hold on now, because we’ve done it! We’ve overcome some Herculean
tele-communications problems. You
are about to hear exclusively, first on national radio in these United States,
and world-wide on the internet… what appears to be… finally… after over two
years of intense controversy…the most compelling proof yet, of the reality of
chemtrails. Investigative
journalist, Tiffany Brendt, has succeeded, where others have failed, in
interviewing an FAA air traffic controller, who has, .on tape…disclosed to the
best of his ability…the reality of chemtrail spraying…at least in the
Northeast. We will be hearing taped excerpts of that interview in just a few
minutes. Tiffany Brendt is a
veteran broadcast journalist and on-air radio personality for the past 8 years
with Maine and New Hampshire radio stations WMWV, WCYY and WLKZ…and that’s an
alphabet soup, Tiffany, if I’ve ever heard it.
Tiffany Brendt - TB: Oh, yes…but not the
kind of alphabet soups we have to worry about.
JR:
Indeed, indeed. You’re
coming to us live from a beautiful rural part of Maine, which is one of
America’s most gorgeous states, without doubt.
TB:
Well, that’s one of the reasons why I’m here, because it is rural and
hopefully we won’t have to worry about too much pollution if we can crack this
thing wide open.
JR: Indeed…and
boy, keep it that way. Rural, rural America is disappearing far too fast.
TB:
Yes, it is.
JR: OK, when
did you first become aware of the whole issue of chemtrails, as a newsperson,
as a journalist, and what did you think about it? This probably goes back with you a
couple of years as well, like it does with most of us.
TB: Well,
actually, a couple of years ago…I’ve had a lot of things on my plate,
including my mother who was passing away from cancer.
JR: Uh huh
TB: And I
wasn’t paying as much attention to it as I probably should have. Umm…however, her cancer was quite
virulent, and yet she hung on for four years.
JR:
Oh…
TB: But,
she had something that her doctor did not understand…how could it happen in
the manner in which it did?
JR:
Ah…
TB:
And that’s kind of what made me pay more attention to pollution…um…I
also worked with somebody whose name you might be familiar with, Phil
Marie.
JR: Sure…
TB: And Phil, obviously this is Phil Marie
Jr., um….has, uh, his Dad is very much into cracking this thing.
JR: Uh
huh
TB:
And…uh…Phil Jr. is also.
But Phil had mentioned this to me a few times, but because I had been
involved with trying to keep my mom alive…
JR: sure…
TB: I wasn’t,
as I said, paying attention…however, about the same time she passed away, I
had been taking pictures of the foliage, because it is beautiful here…
JR: uh
huh…
TB: …and
did not even know what I was taking pictures of…
JR:
(chuckle)
TB: …and when
I had the pictures developed, I still didn’t see it. But the other day, when we were
looking through the pictures, for a specific photo, I said, “What is
this?”
And, as I put… you know…pulled through some extra pictures
I happened to notice that there were a few X’s in these pictures. And then, the sky turned gray. So I looked at the order on the roll,
in other words, the negatives…
JR:
Yes, sure…sure…
TB: What order
they were in, and yes, the sky was clear at the beginning, and towards the
end, it was milky white and full of junk.
JR:
But, talk about big light bulbs coming on.
TB: Well, the
light bulb came on. On March
12th of this year. I
had just gotten back, literally, from being on the air myself…um…had taken my
little nap there, woke up…and was having my first cup of coffee…and looked
through…um…a small pantry that we have…out the window…and saw a line in the
sky, attached to a jet, and I jokingly said…it shouldn’t have been…but I was
joking…contrail or chemtrail?
JR: ah ha!
TB: My
partner, Lou, also got up too, and looked out the window and he said, “I’m not
sure, but I saw one earlier.” We
both went outside, we could not believe what we were seeing. Neither one of us
had ever seen anything anywhere near that before. Not that size of an operation…and Lou
is ex-military.
JR: Ah
ha….
TB: So, that
really put the light bulb on.
JR: I
remember the first day I saw one. I was…I was laying down, taking a nap in the
afternoon, looking up at this most gorgeous blue sky in Santa Barbara…I mean
azure blue…we’ve all seen those skies and right smack over my head, I kid you
not, one of those…planes…whatever they are…came by laying down this big, fat,
white, ugly trail…right over my head!
TB: Um
hmm…
JR:
…looking straight up…and I said, “What the hell is that?”
TB: That was
my reaction.
JR: Yep,
same thing.
TB: What the
hell is that?
JR:
Exactly.
TB: This
wasn’t one; this was 30 jets in 45 minutes.
JR: Oh
my, and you’re not under a major flight path, with that kind of traffic.
TB: No, not
where we are, we’re not under a major flight path.
JR:
Ah…
TB: And as a
matter of fact, my first discussion with this air traffic control person.
JR: How
did you contact him?
TB: Well, I
called several airports in the area…
JR: Uh
huh…
TB: Most
of the major airports in the Northeast, ‘cuz I figured they had to see
this…ok…
JR:
Sure…
TB: …and
I finally got someone to talk to me, who happens to be an ATC manager, air
traffic control manager…
JR:
Right…
TB: …and
he told me that, first, he asked me, was I in this area on a regular basis?…am
I normally here on Mondays?…maybe I’m not used to normal air traffic, and I
said, “Oh no, I’m here every day, and most weekends.”
JR: Uh
hm…
TB: …and
I’m telling you that this is not normal air traffic.
JR: Uh hm…
TB: …and
he said, “Well, maybe it’s combined with some International traffic, and he
said that there were about 9 jets”, …in or out of my particular area, that he
knew of…um…maybe that’s what I was seeing. And I said, “No, no, no…I just told
you that I’m seeing 30 jets in 45 minutes, and they’re still coming. And they were flying northeast to
southwest. Trails had already
been laid down on the Northwest to Southwest route.”
JR: Uh
huh…
TB: So
there was definitely grid pattern being laid down.
JR:
Approximately how far from you was this ATC located?
TB: Um…if I
give that information out…
JR:
OK…don’t…leave it…fine.
TB: He wants
to remain anonymous.
JR:
Fine…please.
TB: As a
matter of fact, we had to alter his voice.
JR:
Absolutely…protect him…all
the way.
TB:
Right.
JR:
So…someone who had clear, electronic eyes…that can see the entire
Northeast was aware of where you were and was able to suggest maybe 9
planes…and you said no way.
TB:
Exactly, exactly.
JR:
OK
TB: And
then after much pushing and shoving, he admitted that not far from me, he had
relatives living so… Which is kind of important to note. Because he did make a
trip to this area. Recently, he wanted to see if I could see what I could
see…basically…and I pushed him on it.
And he said, “Well, I will tell you that I was told to reroute some of
my traffic this morning because there was a military exercise in the area. And
after that, that’s when we contacted, I’m sure you’re familiar with Will
Thomas…
JR: Sure.
TB: And we let
him know via email that this was going on. Then Will contacted us and I told him
that I was going to try and interview this guy, which I subsequently did do. I
did get him on tape.
JR: Did he
know that he was being taped? I’m
sure you must have told him.
TB: We were in
person.
JR: Oh good.
TB: We were in person.
JR: Even better.
TB: Yes. As a
matter of fact I was asked to go to his home so I made the trip down to his
home.
JR: OK
TB:
..and interviewed him. I waited until he got back from work and then
interviewed him. And I must say,
he chain smoked, he was extremely nervous…very nervous.
JR:
Nervous about the interview, or nervous about what he had been aware
of, and was now disclosing?
TB: Nervous
about what he was aware of and disclosing. I basically got the impression as I
was speaking to him that he maybe didn’t know a lot more than what he was
telling me, but suspected something.
And in subsequent conversations with him, found out that he and his
family had been experiencing some of the symptoms of this chemtrail
spraying.
JR: Chemtrail
sickness.
TB: Exactly.
He has a baby, who happened to crawl into the room when I was sitting
there. The baby’s under 2 years
old. This baby has had
gushing nosebleeds.
JR: Gushing
nosebleeds?
TB: Which I
have also had. I had one, a very
bad one, in October, actually November, of ’99. Early November ’99.
JR: Well that
would come right out of the suitcase of chemtrail ailments and illnesses.
TB: Yes,
yes. So they also have had, his
wife had what he described to me as sudden adult onset asthma. She had never had asthma in her life
before.
JR: He must
have been, shall we say, a little angry about this?
TB: I think
he…I think he’s angry now.
JR: Yeah, I
think so.
TB: Because
I’ve had two interviews with him now, on tape.
JR: OK…Well
this is how… when you start seeing your own 2 year old with gushing
nosebleeds, your wife gets sick, mysteriously, and you start to see it
professionally…you gotta get mad.
TB: Yes.
JR: You gotta
get mad.
TB: Yes.
JR:
Alright…this is fascinating, go right ahead.
TB: OK…After
my first conversation with him and getting it on tape, I had played it for
Will, and then we came up with some other questions to ask him for the second
interview, which he did agree to.
He still insisted that he stay anonymous, as anonymous as we could make
it.
JR: Sure
TB: He
did however, come up to my radio station…one of them…WMWV, I don’t own
them. I say mine. it’s one where
I work and have worked
JR: Got
it.
TB: As a
matter of fact, my ex-husband still does work there and we are friends…and he
does help me when I have some things that I have to produce.
JR: Some
things really are nicer in Maine, folks.
TB: (laughter)
Well, this station happens to be in New Hampshire…but that’s true, things are
nicer in the northeast.
JR: Very
good.
TB: Way north.
JR:
Alright, now this fellow…when I said he was nervous about the
interviews, some people…just when they see a tape recorder…they just get
nervous. But he was nervous about
many more things than a tape recorder.
TB: I think he
was much more nervous about other things besides a tape recorder.
JR: OK…He’s a
manager.
TB: He is a
manager.
JR: Can you
give me a little bit more about that?
You’ve got air traffic controllers who sit at the electronics all day
long and you’ve got management, I guess…who kind of oversee them and he’s been
at it a while. He’s obviously a
very capable, very talented public servant.
TB: Yes, I can
tell you number one, that he happens to be from the Midwest. OK, that was
evident. He has family in the
area, in this area, and he does live in the northeast, although not here. He moved to the northeast because he
had been transferred from another position in air traffic control. He moved up the line.
JR: Alright,
that’s enough. We don’t need to
know anymore. You’re, as a journalist, having investigated him and talked to
him is enough.
TB:
Right.
JR: That’s
good enough. So you’re talking
with him…he says he was told, that very morning…instructed to reroute. What kind of traffic again?
TB: The
traffic that he had, he had to reroute, including…he had to turn one over to
Boston, Boston Center, which is out of Nashua, New Hampshire.
JR: OK…this
traffic is International traffic, domestic traffic did he go into detail?
TB: He had one
International coming in and he had domestic coming in, in that same time
frame. We’re talking about from
12:10 pm to 12:55 pm he had…he was concerned with 9 jets that he had to
reroute.
JR: So you
locked it in right to the hour and got confirmation from him.
TB: Oh,
yes.
JR: You’re on
the same page.
TB: Yes.
JR: Alright,
was he rerouting these aircraft out of normal flight patterns, or just
clearing an airspace?
TB: He was
bringing them in lower than what he would normally bring them in at. Especially the one that was
International.
JR: OK, and
give me an idea of the airspace.
TB: He
normally filtered out everything above 10,000 feet. For what his traffic…what he’s
concerned with in his airspace…and he had to watch everything up to 30 plus
thousand feet.
JR:
OK…gotcha...alright...stand by.
TB: Sure
will.
JR: We’ll be
right back, Tiffany, hang on.
Jeff Rense with breaking news as they say…big news. Apparent confirmation of a military
exercise in the northeast having to do with those ugly, white trails that we
know and hate coast to coast. Be
right back.
(Break)
JR: Hi.
Is this the breakthrough we’ve been looking for, for well over 2 years it
looks like it may be. Tiffany Brendt, investigative journalist has secured an
interview, she has interviewed the air traffic control manager twice now, and
received confirmation from him of an aerial operation underway in the
Northeast. We’re going to find
out more now with Tiffany. He had
indicated to you that he was ordered to clear air space of traffic. So he cleared how big of a swath again
of air space?
TB: He had to
bring in his jet that was coming in at just above 30,000 feet. He had to bring it in to 10,000 and
under.
JR: That’s a
big drop.
TB: That’s a
big drop.
JR: So, he had
to clear out about 20,000 feet of air space.
TB: Yes, he
did.
JR: Alright,
and who told him to do it? Did he tell you? And what exactly did they say the
reason was?
TB: In the
first interview, he did not tell me who told him. And understand that this was not the
journalist in me only that was questioning him. When I first spoke to him on the
phone, before I ever interviewed him, I was incensed at what I was
seeing. I was angry, really
angry. There’s another word I
would use, but we’re on the radio, so I won’t, you understand.
JR: Yeah.
TB: I was very
angry. So when I first spoke to
him, I said, “Don’t give me any garbage, tell me what’s going on.”
JR: Sure.
TB: But by the
time I actually interviewed him, then it was more or less the journalist that
was coming out. Because he was so
nervous about this, we discussed… I had told him I did not want to blind-side
him. That I would keep his
identity as anonymous as I could.
And that I would say nothing that he didn’t tell me that I could say
beforehand about who he was. So
everything I’ve told you he said I could say, in the manner in which I said
it. I didn’t want to alienate him
because I feel that he could be an ally of ours.
JR: sure.
TB: Especially
considering that this has been going on for some time, and there are some
people, like Will Thomas, and others, that have been working on this for
several years.
JR: There are
also some people Tiffany, who are no longer with us.
TB: Yes.
JR: Because
they’ve become seriously ill and they have been immuno-suppressed. They have been elderly perhaps, they
have been children with asthma to begin with, and I know that there have been
fatalities. I can’t give you
names, ages and addresses, but so many people have emailed me, seriously ill,
for such a very long time. I have
no doubt this has had fatal consequences for others.
TB: I have no
doubt either. Now whether or not
my mom was one of the victims of this, I don’t know, but I’ll bet my aunt
was. She was in the hospital and
dead in 10 days and she had all the classic symptoms.
JR: Alright,
well, there you go. So during
your second interview, did he disclose to you who ordered him to make this air
clearance?
TB: During the
second interview, he told me that it was a higher civil authority, and not a
military authority, but that it was a military exercise. He told me that in both
interviews.
JR: Military
exercise.
TB: Yes.
JR: Did he
give you any further delineation on what that might have been at the time?
TB: In the
first interview, no, and in the second interview, yes.
JR: Alright,
let’s go with the yes.
TB: OK. The yes was that when I asked him,
“Was this a radar exercise? Were
they doing experiments with radar?”
He said, “No.”. When I
asked him if this was a weather…
JB: Excuse me
that is an excellent question. A
radar exercise, very good.
TB: Will and I
had discussed this and excuse my ignorance if I sound like I don’t know what
I’m talking about with this, because I’m new at this chemtrail thing. OK, I’m not an old hat at the
chemtrail, I’m an old hat at the journalism end, but chemtrails are new to
me.
JR: You know
in a way, it’s better that way. I
like a good journalist to go at something fresh, hungry and without
preconceptions.
TB: I’m the
pit bull. You know the pit
bull?
JR:
Gotcha.
TB: OK, so I
wasn’t letting this guy go. The
second question I asked him was, “Was this a weather modification, was this a
weather modification exercise?” His answer to me was, I believe he said, “This
is what was indicated to me.”
That’s about as close an approximation as I can get. That’s what he said pretty much. That it was a weather exercise.
JR: You got a
guarded affirmative response.
TB: Yes,
yes.
JR: He still
knows, he knows more than he’s let on, or disclosed. Do you feel that?
TB: Well, at
first, he told me that he found out after the fact what was going on. Because you see, we had this “that
know of”, that he knows of that on the 12th of March, the
20th of March, and the 21st of March.
JR: OK.
TB: And he did
admit to having to clear his air space, for the same reason, on all three
days.
JR: Alright,
and what do we know about from Will Thomas about chemtrail spraying in the
area on these days?
TB: He had
confirmation that there was, not only in this area, but on March
12th, we were able to find out by linking up with other websites,
that there was chemtrail spraying in Georgia and in Florida on the
12th.
JR: A lot of
spraying in quadrants, I guess you could use that word, all over the
country. What about his
radar? What did his radar
show? Was he able to track these
aircraft between 10 and 30 thousand feet, or wherever they were?
TB: Well, in
the first interview, he told me that he filtered out everything above ten
thousand but…
JR: When you
say “filtered out” what do you mean?
TB: Well, he
told me that he could see everything in his air space, if he chose to,
however, they were more concerned with what was coming in to their
airport.
JR: Their
primary concern is passenger safety and they’re watching from 10,000 feet on
down.
TB: Right,
right. What was coming into their
air space, into their landing strips.
That’s what he was concerned about.
JR: Alright,
stand by, Tiffany.
TB: Sure
will.
JR: We’re
going to take another break and come right back. Tiffany Brendt and a truly
history making set of interviews with a man who may have, at long last,
confirmed what so many of us have been seeing, for such a seemingly dreadfully
long time, it’s only been a little over 2 years, but boy, when you see them,
you never forget. Be right back
with Tiffany Brendt in just a couple of minutes.
(Break)
JR: Right back
with you, coast to coast and around the world. You’re hearing it first; right here,
on the Jeff Rense program with tiffany Brendt, live from the great Northeast,
and it is a hot one tonight, as they say. Let’s hear some of those taped
interviews if we can, Tiffany. Go right ahead and set them up.
TB: Sure
can. I’ll set this particular one
up. I’m getting some reverb.
JR: Yeah, I
got it too. We’ll see if we can tone that down. Aright, we’re OK now.
TB: OK…good. I don’t hear myself. This particular excerpt of the tape
goes to where I was trying to get him to admit that he was actually working
over 10,000 feet and the reason why.
JR: OK…so he
was curious, wasn’t he?
TB: Yes. I’ll
play that for you right now.
(Tape begins)
TB: Didn’t I
ask how it was that we could see so many jets, and whose air traffic were it,
if not yours? That is, if you
filter out most everything over 10,000 feet.
ATC: Yes and I
told you that Boston Center is in Nashua, New Hampshire also Kennebunk
VOR.
TB: Boston
Center being another air traffic control center in the Northeast?
ATC: Yes. One that handles a good deal of
traffic, including International flights.
TB: And what
is Kennebunk VOR?
ATC It’s a navigational aid to International traffic in the
northeast.
TB: At this
point, did I mention that my partner was outside the building, still counting
several more jets in the air at the same time as we spoke?
ATC: Yes.
TB: And what
was your answer to that?
ATC: I said
that, that amount of air traffic in such a short span of time was unusual,
even though you would see more International air traffic in the afternoon.
TB: Did you
answer to me that you had to reroute some air traffic?
ATC: Yes.
TB: And why
was that?
ATC: We had to
bring in a couple in lower. That is we had two from the northeast that had to
come in under their usual altitude.
They had to come in at 10,000 feet or under. We had Boston Center take one.
TB: So if I’m
hearing this correctly, on March 12, 2001, you had a reason not to filter out
everything over 30,000 feet.
ATC: Yes.
TB: So you did
see some, and I quote, “stepped up activity” yourself?
ATC: Yes.
TB: Didn’t you
question that?
ATC: No.
TB: Well, why
not?
ATC: Because I
had an explanation for that.
TB: Did
someone ask you to reroute your traffic?
ATC: Yes.
TB: Who.
ATC: I can
tell you that I received a call telling me what I had to do.
(Tape ends)
TB: That’s
just going right into the military exercise. If you want to hear that.
JR: Alright,
he was watching, he knew what was going on, at least ostensibly, a military
operation.
TB: Yes.
JR: I’d like
to hear more, go right ahead.
TB: OK.
(Tape begins)
TB: …reroute
air traffic?
ATC: Yes.
TB: You can’t
tell me who?
ATC: No.
TB: Will you
tell me why?
ATC: You are
sure you’ll keep my name and where I work out of it?
TB: Well, you
work at a major metropolitan, in the northeast, in air traffic control. You did agree to allow me to say
that.
ATC: Yes.
TB: And I gave
you my word that, that is all I will say.
ATC: OK.
TB: So will
you tell me why you were told to reroute your air traffic?
ACT: I was
told that there was a military exercise in the area.
TB: And did
you tell me the military
exercise, combined with your traffic, and international traffic, is probably
why I would see stepped up activity?
ATC: Yes.
TB: And you
used the phrase, “stepped up”?
ATC: Yes, I
probably did.
TB: Did you say of course they
wouldn't give you any of the particulars and that you don't ask you just do
your job?
ATC: Yes, something like
that.
TB: Well since Monday the 12th
have we spoken?
ATC: Yes, a couple of
times.
TB: To set up this
interview?
ATC:
Yes.
TB: Did I ask if you happened
to notice an increase in air traffic on the 12th?
ATC:
Yes.
TB: And you
said...?
ATC: I did notice a little
more than usual, yes.
TB: In the last couple of
years can you recall any other times when you were asked to re-route air
traffic?
ATC: Just a couple of
times...maybe as much as four times.
TB: Were you asked to re-route
air traffic yesterday or today?
ATC:
Yes.
TB: Both
days?
ATC: Well, I'd rather not say
both days but yes I was.
TB: For the same reason as
Monday?
ATC: I have to be careful of
my job...I have a family to support.
TB: Oh, I understand. You have
helped me tremendously and I won't do anything or add anything to the
information that you have given me here in this interview today. I will not do
anything to compromise the promise of anonymity that I gave you but will you
answer that one last question?
ATC:
About...?
TB: Were you asked to re-route
air traffic Tuesday and today for the same reason as Monday the 12th of March?
ATC:
Yes.
TB: (cut
off)
[TB is speaking to Jeff again
at this point]:
TB: That's pretty much the end
of that first interview and of course as I say
(interference)
JR: Um hum...go
ahead.
TB: Of course I've said that
we've had subsequent interview um...with him and he did allow me to say more
and go into more.
JR:
Ok...
TB: But that was it for the
first interview.
JR: Alright, ah...terrific
interview by the way ...outstanding.
TB: Thank you... Thank
you.
JR: ...totally professional.
He is a man who ah...I wonder how many other air traffic controllers have
similar knowledge around the country...that thought comes to mind.
TB: Well... in the subsequent
interview um... I did ask him if he knew of other regions that were involved
in the same situation.
JR: Ah
Huh...
TB: ...where they had to
re-route air traffic because of military exercise and he said yes he did and I
said, "were there many regions?" and he said "I wouldn't say many, no" and
then I said "Well were there some?” and he said "yes" and I said "what
regions?" and he said "well I can tell you that there was one south of us".
JR: Uh
huh...ok.
TB: And then he wouldn't go
into anything after that.
JR: Alright. Is this
man...obviously he has a family as he said to protect. Above and beyond that
is he exhibiting any undo stress or fear do you think?
TB: He is more now than he was
before.
JR: Has anything happened to
him in the interim between your first interview and this point and time now to
give him heightened concern for his welfare in general
terms?
TB: I'm getting the impression
that he may have been asked not to speak to anybody about this.
JR:
Asked?
TB: Um...well I'll say asked
right now because I haven't been able to confirm anything else with him but
yeah...asked.
JR: How about other visuals on
the scope...sky overcast...do they...can they read that kind of weather
modification, weather changing if it's going on up
there?
TB: I was told um...that
certain things will either enhance or degrade radar so I asked him the
question in a further interview um...I asked him if his radar had been
affected. Was it enhanced and he said...or degraded and he said it was
degraded. And then I asked him were there any...was radar painting
anything...was it showing any cloudy areas or anything else and he said well
actually there was a...a... something that I might call...he said, "you might
call" meaning me "a haze". And I said did that affect air traffic safety and
he said not from his perspective.
JR: It did impact his
electronics.
TB: Yes.
JR: To the extent that the
word "degrade" was used.
TB: Yes...he said...I asked
him if it degraded it and he said, "yes it degraded it". He actually used the
word "degraded".
JR: When was the first time he
and you used the word "chemtrail"? Do you remember that and what was
said...what was the context. Or did you go that far?
TB: No. No, I just recently
did. After this last interview when we were all at the radio station, he and
uh... he and the man that did the production work on this and myself um...I
mentioned to him...he wanted to know why I was really dogging him about this
and I mentioned to him that ... well there are things that are going
on...
JR: He didn't
know...
TB: He didn't know ...no. He
did not...he had heard the word chemtrail and contrail but he did not know
initially why I was calling him about this and why I interviewed him two times
at that point.
JR: Probably why he agreed to
the interview.
TB: Yes. He had no clue.
JR: Fascinating! Stand
by...
TB: I
will.
JR: What a great
investigator...Tiffany Brendt. Extraordinary! This doesn't necessarily give us
everything we want folks but it's a big step in the right direction. We'll be
back to hear about her subsequent conversations and remember this man's voice
has been changed in an effort to protect him uh...and lets say a good thought
and hope that there is no retribution aimed toward this individual. He is a
family man and we don't want that of course. Be right back in a couple of
minutes. I'm Jeff Rense coast to coast and don't forget the website at
Rense.com up there for you right now with over 13,000 stories in our
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TB: Yes,
which is why probably he was chain smoking long before he started getting
worried about this. But when I say this man was chain smoking, he was lighting
one cigarette with the butt of the other one.
JR: Well,
as they used to say down south, "he’d smoke chains if he could light them".
TB:
Yes…exactly.
JR: Bad
news. Alright…well, I’ve known air traffic controllers myself who smoke
heavily and do a lot of coffee. That’s sort of not unusual in that business.
What else did he say when you began to talk about contrails and
chemtrails?
TB: Well,
he was a little concerned about what we thought they were and I said well,
there’s several theories floating around out there, none of which are really
very good the least sinister of which would be weather modification but if
that is what they are doing, they are doing it with things that may be causing
harm to the populace.
JR:
Sure.
TB: And
he’s really concerned. I get the impression that he’s concerned. I think he
may be still a little bit more worried about what might happen if somebody
were to figure out that he is speaking to me but I also think that we are now
reaching a point with him where he’s more worried…where he will become more
worried about what might happen to his family
JR: Was he
not ever able to look up at the sky in the last couple of years and see these
things that last 4.. 5..6.. 7.. 8 hours and can obliterate a beautiful day?
TB: Well, I
will tell you this…on my interview the 21st which was the first
taped interview that I had with him, we had overcast skies because they had
been spraying on the 20th …on my way to that house I happened to
see breaks in the clouds and they were above the clouds spraying as we spoke.
And I stopped and asked directions to the street at a local gas station in his
town where his summer house is and I had people actually look up and say "what
is that?" and one woman said "oh, that’s a cloud" and I’m like OK! Attached to
a jet! Alright, well that’s fine. I think that there is an awful lot of what
we say around here, ignorance and apathy. A very bad combination…I don’t know
and I don’t care. But there are enough people out there right now that do know
and do care.
JR:
Millions…millions.
TB: Yes.
Yeah.
JR: We’ve
seen them. We’ve watched aircraft go by laying nothing behind them and
aircraft…same apparent altitude … they look to be the same size spewing out
these awful trails which do not dissipate and as they drop down, we’ve all
seen the frozen (?) rope with the nodules on the bottom and as they drop down
they’ll hit a wind shear and they’ll start to spread and ah…they often out
west will spray in front of approaching weather fronts and I’m assuming the
same tactics are used probably in many other areas as
well.
TB: Well as
I sat interviewing him before it got dark, I was looking out the window on the
enclosed and heated sun porch where we were sitting … to be away from the
family…and I was actually watching this as the cloud cover was breaking up we
could see lines in the sky. He wasn’t looking…I was. I think he might have
wondered what I was looking at…I think he knows now.
JR: Did
you…Yeah…where did you leave it with him was my next question. Did you lay it
on the line and say "look, we’ve got a problem and what’s going on in this
country of ours is not good and what can you do to help us"? Did you…how did
you leave it with him?
TB: Um… I
left it with him that we may be doing another interview… which he was
agreeable to.
JR: Bless
that!
TB: Yeah…
and so I’m afraid to push too much because I don’t want to lose him as an ally
and I think that’s where we’re going with this … turning him into an
ally.
JR: Yeah,
if he doesn’t answer his phone anymore or will have anything to do with you
then we’ll know how they got to him.
TB: Well we
had a little phone situation tonight didn’t we?
JR: We did!
Just so you’ll know we ah…Tiffany was to be on the first hour of the program
and I talked to her about 20-25 minutes prior to show time…all set to go…and
then lo and behold…guess what? Her phone went down literally for the first
hour of the program. I guess it rang and rang and what happened?
TB: Well as
it was ringing and I picked it up, it just continued to ring in my
ear.
JR: You
heard a ringing (unintelligible)?
TB: It was
ringing as if I was calling somebody else.
JR: And how
often does that happen?
TB: I’ve
never heard that happen before on this phone.
JR: I don’t
think I’ve ever heard that happen anywhere. Now, are we to think ladies and
gentlemen this was a sheer coincidence? The one hour that she’s supposed to be
on this program to bring this news first worldwide and coast to coast that her
phone is somehow not working right. I’ll leave that up to you to ponder. I
don’t have the answer but it sure is strange.
TB: I
agree!
JR: Ok. So
what we’ve got to date is a man who has given us information that thus far we
had not had the opportunity to avail ourselves of. We are in his debt but even
more than that we are in your debt. Where do you want to go with this
personally and professionally as a journalist now? Are you going to continue
to hound people in the government to find out more? What are you going to try
and do?
TB: Well
actually I’ve had many hits on my email tonight including one from a US
Congressional candidate who says that he or she…and I don’t know which it is
yet…has some information on chemtrails and would I be interested in speaking
with him. Of course I’m interested in finding out number one, whether they are
they male or female, who they are and what state they are from …where do they
run for congress. That’s not the only congressional candidate I’ve spoke to.
JR: This is
a sitting member of the house or a candidate?
TB: This
was a candidate. Obviously, they lost. Because otherwise they would have
said…(unintelligible)
JR: I
understand…
TB: I have
another former candidate whom I know personally who ran against John Sanunu in
New Hampshire…she’s a democrat and she is also going to see if she can look
into this for me. She is now a sitting member of the House in New Hampshire.
JR: Very
good. Do we want to leave our listeners with your email…do we want to put it
out there? It’s your call.
TB: Sure
they can. (laughs) They may not get an answer right away.
JR:
(laughing) Get ready…they’re coming!
TB: I know!
It is mainegrl55@aol.com
JR:
Alright. It’s real simple …let me read it back to everybody. mainegrl55@aol.com And only
write to her if you have something important I would suggest. She is going to
be deluged with a lot of general questions. If you want information about
chemtrails, the place to go is http://www.carnicom.com. That’s
Clifford Carnicom’s website…it is the premier information vehicle for all of
us. That’s carnicom.com, and once again mainegrl55@aol.com for
Tiffany Brendt.
Tiffany,
thank you. I am much in your debt. I appreciate you being on the program first
here with the information. My door is open. Have you any new information in
the next month…whenever…just call me and we’ll put you right on.
TB: I will
do that and thank you for giving me the opportunity to put this out there
because you know as well as I do, it’s hard to hit the mainstream media with
something as explosive as this is.
JR: Well
this is our mainstream media. That’s the way I look at it. Thanks
Tiffany.
TB: Thank
You.
JR:
Goodnight.
TB:
Goodnight.
JR: And
thanks to all of you for hanging in there for that first hour while we really
worked around some tremendous obstacles. Her phone…as you heard…shut down for
the hour she was supposed to be on this program. Hmmmmm…. at least we got
their attention now. Maybe they were figuring we wouldn’t be able to pull that
off. But out of the kindness of our guest standing by in South Africa we’re
going to reduce them to one hour tonight so…End of Interview